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there's a whole fleet of look on the sa

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oh my gosh they're all going against the

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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sphere where the points of the cube

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast we've got a special bonus show

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for you this week as dan and vinnie

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prepare to head off to colombia we

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wanted to chat through how the guys are

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feeling where they're at with planning

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and also answer some of your questions

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as well and very glad to see ashley kiwi

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organizer curator general head of the

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whole trip has joined us for this one

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again as well ashley how are we

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i'm really good thanks really excited to

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be talking to you about all this

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yes the days are picking by now aren't

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they and obviously i'm not going myself

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but i'm sending the next best thing uh

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vinnie you're going on here so you're

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looking forward to it

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yes i cannot wait i've just been

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for a long time now and it's it's this

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doing your last minute shopping

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yeah um you know vinnie is graciously

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so i'm going along just to kind of be

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his caddy and moral support just part of

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the hype crew um i i'm almost ready um

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you know some some of the covered

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restrictions have will be relaxed by the

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time we get back so it's actually

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simpler than we prepared for so it's

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the plan being in place with that um but

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kiwi part one and part 2 where we

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discussed phenomenology um ash stays out

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in colombia and the documentary what

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there if you haven't definitely go and

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check that out after this interview this

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is a chance for the gents to discuss the

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preparations for the trip how things are

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looking now over in colombia how vinny

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and dan are getting on and preparing for

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it as well and you know what so many of

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you donated when when dan put up the the

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gofundme to make sure he could get out

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phenomenal response um no pun intended

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who have donated to to feel a little bit

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more involved with the trip as well and

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like we've said during the trip dan's

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i keep keep abreast of the situation and

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what's happening out there but dan let's

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again to to the folks who donated and

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project as well it's a it's a grassroots

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to where ash stays um and ash let's

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andy and that goes to you know everybody

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square of four parts you know you can

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big bombastic music when somebody sees a

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gate if we can resist

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every part of the people surrounding

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this production are convinced they're

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experienced by someone so the actual

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conscious experience of the phenomenon

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rather than the cartesian

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this object connects with this object

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and results in this so we're going to be

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greatly focused on

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the experience that people have with

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this phenomenon and what i mean then by

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fertile soil is everybody around it has

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an experience of the phenomenon so we're

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going to get the first section of big

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data

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from a lot of people

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all looking at the same phenomenon

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so it's pretty exciting you know evan

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angelo he has his ufos

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now you mentioned you've got the the

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team coming over from oh you've got

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people traveling from new york

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you'll get wales you know england

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all over all over the planet the

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colombian team though they're obviously

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there already what sort of expertise

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other than that passion and experience

302
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are they bringing to the production as

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well right this is great um

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we have a guy from medellin

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who owns an aerospace company he's an

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aeronautical engineer

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and he builds drones for the

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colombian-american military

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and tests himself

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he's coming over

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so we can fly

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drones big ones a long distance we're

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gonna photograph them video them at

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night thermal cameras the normal cameras

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with restrictions that are in place by

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you know iphone cameras

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and what we can do then

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is experiment and see which of these

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phenomena are uavs military vehicles

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military craft and which arm but to know

321
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that you've got to know what such a

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thing would look like and i think it's

323
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great too because think about this one

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this is i was i had quite something to

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say a few months ago on the i think it

326
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was called the duck ufo

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and i always thought it was a shame that

328
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nobody at that time including myself

329
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a camera on a drone actually filming

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another drone

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with a fleur one so we're going to do

332
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that we can actually film a large meter

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by a meter drone

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with another drone equipped with flowers

335
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so we can see what drones look like

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under flare conditions that's really

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cool so that's what the colombians bring

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into the project in one instance got

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another one we've got this really

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eminent professor

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an ex-statesman

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his grandfather

343
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was an archbishop of colombia he's a

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writer he's a poet

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he's coming along because

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he's really into victorian phenomenology

347
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everything from mediumship and

348
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witchcraft which was huge in colombia

349
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and back in the 1940s and the 60s so

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this old professor is going to tell us

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about how people in tabby with the

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village

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interpreted

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these light phenomenon 80 years ago

355
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70 years ago so that's another great

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investment we're getting stories

357
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the phenomenon the experiences from

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people that are going right back you

359
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know so that's another great thing and

360
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we also have nadi doss like we call her

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she's a production assistant on the show

362
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nat is going to present us with what i

363
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regard as

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the sharpest highest definition

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video of a uap that's

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not all the endings one's ever seen but

367
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just that

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it's actually what it claims to be it's

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sharp it's unidentified it's in the

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aerial in the air and it's not

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identifiable so it's a phenomenon so she

372
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has this on her phone that was filmed

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with five witnesses

374
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we are getting to go to that remote farm

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location

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we're gonna identify exactly where this

377
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was filmed this thing you're going to

378
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see which we're keeping for the show

379
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so what we got there is this whole

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matrix of farm workers and we've got

381
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five eyewitnesses that are going to meet

382
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us they're all going to meet us for this

383
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film was taken and they're going to

384
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explain to us exactly what they saw as

385
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we're investigating the site

386
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so

387
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isn't that exciting there's just a

388
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cross-section of what colombians are

389
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bringing to the documentary and there's

390
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i get to say to andy now but you're a

391
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mute

392
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[Laughter]

393
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ah

394
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thought you meant no

395
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no no no no no no me me oh no no andy

396
00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:28,839
yeah yeah

397
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yeah it's usually me i was really

398
00:14:36,470 --> 00:14:33,680
engrossed in that and i'd never do that

399
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um ash you're you mentioned the last

400
00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:38,560
person there and did you say she was a

401
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production assistant

402
00:14:46,470 --> 00:14:44,800
she's no no i i just want to mention as

403
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you said it

404
00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:48,880
it froze for a very split second and it

405
00:14:52,629 --> 00:14:50,399
did sound like you said abduction

406
00:14:54,230 --> 00:14:52,639
assistant so i just want to correct for

407
00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:54,240
anyone who heard that and thought wow

408
00:14:57,910 --> 00:14:56,240
they've got a production assistant just

409
00:14:59,829 --> 00:14:57,920
given what we're talking about no it was

410
00:15:01,189 --> 00:14:59,839
it was production so yeah no that's that

411
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was that was all it was that would be a

412
00:15:04,870 --> 00:15:03,279
different kind of holiday i think

413
00:15:05,829 --> 00:15:04,880
columbia get abducted there's someone

414
00:15:08,069 --> 00:15:05,839
yeah

415
00:15:09,189 --> 00:15:08,079
everything's just got real creepy

416
00:15:11,110 --> 00:15:09,199
yeah

417
00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:11,120
it does sound really exciting i'll give

418
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:12,639
you a minute i'm going to i'm going to

419
00:15:15,430 --> 00:15:14,160
chat to vinnie and dan just to ask them

420
00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:15,440
given their hearing a lot of this as

421
00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:16,240
well

422
00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:18,240
vinnie let's speak to yourself you've

423
00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:20,560
got the nicer sounding voice

424
00:15:23,590 --> 00:15:22,160
how are you feeling at this point you're

425
00:15:24,629 --> 00:15:23,600
obviously hearing all this as well and

426
00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:24,639
you know there's going to be these other

427
00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:26,560
people involved and you're going out you

428
00:15:29,590 --> 00:15:28,160
know you're not traveling even just

429
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across europe you're going to south

430
00:15:33,430 --> 00:15:31,519
america which is incredible how are you

431
00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:33,440
feeling at this point

432
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i mean it's a complete mixture of

433
00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:36,880
excitement it's almost overwhelming as

434
00:15:40,230 --> 00:15:38,000
well because

435
00:15:42,069 --> 00:15:40,240
when we kind of or when i first found

436
00:15:43,509 --> 00:15:42,079
out this is definitely happening

437
00:15:45,990 --> 00:15:43,519
that initial

438
00:15:47,189 --> 00:15:46,000
shock in a way was was huge but the

439
00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:47,199
closest we've

440
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we've been getting

441
00:15:52,269 --> 00:15:50,399
i've just been you know emotions are

442
00:15:55,110 --> 00:15:52,279
flowing everywhere with excitement and

443
00:15:56,310 --> 00:15:55,120
possibilities and you know the fact that

444
00:15:58,230 --> 00:15:56,320
we're actually going to be doing boots

445
00:16:00,629 --> 00:15:58,240
on the ground work

446
00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:00,639
around the ufo subject and it's

447
00:16:03,990 --> 00:16:02,320
you know that to me is

448
00:16:05,509 --> 00:16:04,000
the step that i'd always dreamed of

449
00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:05,519
taking is being someone who could say

450
00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:07,440
that i've done something like that it's

451
00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:09,440
so exciting and

452
00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:10,639
yeah but then you know obviously the

453
00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:12,160
traveling part i mean i'm not the best

454
00:16:16,949 --> 00:16:14,560
flyer i don't really like flying so but

455
00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:16,959
now i've been down yeah dan can we can

456
00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:19,040
hold hands on the plane and

457
00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:21,360
i also hate flying so this is going to

458
00:16:27,829 --> 00:16:25,749
especially given we're talking about you

459
00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:27,839
know potentially unidentified flying

460
00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:29,440
objects and the two of you are traveling

461
00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:31,120
all the way out there to to have a look

462
00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:33,600
at what these may or may not be

463
00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:36,160
either of you again dan or vinnie like

464
00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:38,800
do you have any expectations of of going

465
00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:40,399
out there and what this is going to be

466
00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:41,759
or what you think is going to be

467
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:43,279
happening

468
00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:44,800
for me personally i don't have any

469
00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:46,639
expectations

470
00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:47,920
and i've got to remember and i keep

471
00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:49,519
telling myself and i have been for weeks

472
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:52,160
now that as much as i'd like this to be

473
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:53,759
ufos

474
00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:56,880
i've got it really clear in my head that

475
00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:57,680
you know

476
00:17:02,870 --> 00:16:59,279
there's such a good chance that it is a

477
00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:02,880
prozac or natural phenomenon and

478
00:17:07,270 --> 00:17:05,199
now at this point i'll just be glad if

479
00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:07,280
we actually get to the bottom of what it

480
00:17:10,949 --> 00:17:09,120
is whether it's prosaic or not we can

481
00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:10,959
just take it off the list and move on to

482
00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:12,480
something else but we know that the

483
00:17:18,630 --> 00:17:15,600
experience in itself is going to be epic

484
00:17:20,309 --> 00:17:18,640
so i have no expectations so yeah i'm at

485
00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:20,319
a good point now mentally for this as

486
00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:21,760
well

487
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:22,959
dan

488
00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:26,000
i mean i i'd agree with a lot of that my

489
00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:27,760
i don't

490
00:17:31,909 --> 00:17:29,520
i think of it in the same way as i i

491
00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:31,919
think of something like hess hessdalen

492
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,720
you know or even even more broadly the

493
00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:36,240
northern lights

494
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:37,600
when i went to see those you know you

495
00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:40,000
had a forecast and they said oh you know

496
00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:42,240
it's definitely going to happen but once

497
00:17:46,950 --> 00:17:43,360
i got there i learned that the word

498
00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:46,960
definitely was a coin toss anyway so

499
00:17:50,710 --> 00:17:48,960
you kind of you learn to temper those

500
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:50,720
expectations you know this could be

501
00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:53,039
absolutely incredible um and i think it

502
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:54,720
will be whether we find something on the

503
00:17:58,630 --> 00:17:56,320
mountain or not but like vinnie said the

504
00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:58,640
value is in getting boots on the ground

505
00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:00,240
and finding out whether it's something

506
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:02,480
strange or whether it's something

507
00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:05,039
prosaic and either one of those is is a

508
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:10,630
ashley now the the itinerary for these

509
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:13,200
gentlemen they fly out on the 6th of

510
00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:16,320
february i think dan was saying before

511
00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:18,640
when they when they land what does their

512
00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:20,320
time in colombia look like am i right

513
00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:22,320
insane is it 10 days just under just

514
00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:26,950
so i've got them in here for arriving

515
00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:29,200
sometime on monday the 7th

516
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:30,160
so

517
00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:31,440
they're going to take i'm going to take

518
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:33,600
them to hq which is about two hours

519
00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:35,840
north of bogota in the in the hills

520
00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:37,760
there in the andes so

521
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:39,600
when they get there

522
00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:41,039
they're never going to have been so

523
00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:43,120
tired in their life with the altitude

524
00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:44,720
they're coming off a long-haul flight

525
00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:46,400
and hitting altitude so

526
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:48,160
there's two options here now there's

527
00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:50,160
three options actually so there's the

528
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:52,480
scotch method which you get wrecked on

529
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:54,960
the plane you sleep for three days but

530
00:19:02,310 --> 00:19:00,470
the other method is to come in and go to

531
00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:02,320
sleep but another good one is to you

532
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:03,919
come in then you take a shot of strong

533
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:05,600
colombian coffee and you stay up for the

534
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:06,960
whole of the first day you're there and

535
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:09,120
go to bed a reasonable time that night

536
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:11,679
but here's the thing

537
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:13,919
we have got a day before we start

538
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:15,760
wednesday the 8th we've got a day lined

539
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:18,720
up about five miles from hq we're going

540
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:21,120
to be doing some metal detecting for

541
00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:22,880
another thing i was involved in so we're

542
00:19:27,029 --> 00:19:25,360
going to be going to this is very cool

543
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:27,039
we've got permission and we've got a

544
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,400
bunch of farmers who are going to do the

545
00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:30,080
digging so we're going to be swinging

546
00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:32,480
metal detectors for for the eighth which

547
00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:33,760
is great because we're going to be right

548
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,360
in the heart here at the valley of the

549
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:37,440
moon you're going to get acclimatized to

550
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:39,440
the mountain and what the valley looks

551
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:40,880
like because it is

552
00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:43,039
you have no idea dan how close the

553
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:44,799
hesstalon it is

554
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:47,520
it too is eight miles long

555
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:49,840
it has two two mountains one on either

556
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:52,000
side there's a river runs down through

557
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:53,120
the middle

558
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:54,960
one mountain range is laden with iron

559
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:57,039
and the other is laden with copper

560
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:59,280
there's a highly charged iron river

561
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:01,520
underneath the valley the thing could

562
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,200
serve or act as a battery which would

563
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:05,200
take the thing right into the stalin

564
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:07,039
phenomenon zone

565
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,320
however

566
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:10,320
this isn't about as you know so much

567
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:12,080
about

568
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:14,480
going and trying to establish what the

569
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:18,000
cause of the likes is it's equally about

570
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:21,520
understanding the emotional reaction the

571
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:24,559
judgments and the perception that that

572
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:27,760
is made by people who experience that

573
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,679
phenomenon and

574
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:31,679
god willing

575
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:33,760
it's on the same week that one year ago

576
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:35,840
i photographed the whites for this first

577
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:38,159
time i've videoed it to i've never

578
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:40,720
actually published my own

579
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:41,760
first

580
00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:43,840
14 minute experience with lights i've

581
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:45,919
been putting up photographs of lights

582
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:48,320
and the lights the phenomenon but i've

583
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,480
never shared that first

584
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:52,400
week or that first experience but that's

585
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:53,919
the week you're coming so that's the

586
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:55,919
first two days of climatization and

587
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:57,840
being in the mountain and then of course

588
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:59,200
we're gonna we're awake we're on

589
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:01,039
locations we're up for breakfast to eat

590
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:03,120
every day we're all meeting around this

591
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:05,120
enormous table they'll be between 10 and

592
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:08,000
12 15 people some days with the drivers

593
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:10,799
and the safety guys

594
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,400
but we're going to be filming at

595
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:14,880
locations most of the first three days

596
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:16,159
and then we're having this break day

597
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:17,520
where we're filming

598
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:20,000
on this enormous banquet table the whole

599
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,840
room's going to be cameraed up

600
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,679
what we're going to do is we're going to

601
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:25,200
go through

602
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:26,960
the photographs and the videos that have

603
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:29,440
accumulated locally so far and we're

604
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,120
going to go through any that we

605
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,360
ourselves get in the first three days x

606
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:35,520
um investigation

607
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:37,120
and then another cool thing about i'm

608
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:38,480
just going to add about the documentary

609
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,280
is we've had confirmation

610
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:43,440
that a judge from new york is going to

611
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:44,960
be here

612
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,880
booked and coming i'm not going to say

613
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:48,480
too much more about that

614
00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:49,200
but

615
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:51,720
we're going to get to present our

616
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:54,320
phenomenological evidence to

617
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:56,720
new york judge and is there anybody that

618
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:59,520
might be better served to go

619
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:00,880
uep

620
00:22:05,919 --> 00:22:08,230
dan

621
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:10,230
i mean that's i mean it sounds really

622
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,789
it's beyond just a bunch of people who

623
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,640
are into the subject getting around a

624
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:20,400
table you know there's

625
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:21,840
with the judge there there's now that

626
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,600
kind of official capacity not

627
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,280
necessarily in official capacity but at

628
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:27,440
least you know that kind of

629
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:28,559
high bar

630
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,799
for for what we'll all be experiencing

631
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:32,640
out there um and i love what ashley said

632
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:34,960
about um ensuring that people's

633
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:37,280
experience of it is is captured too

634
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,640
because i'm sure we'll all have a range

635
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:40,159
of emotions you know if we see the

636
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:43,679
lights on the mountain between us all um

637
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:45,120
and then there's the history of the

638
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,320
place and everything that's happened

639
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:48,240
there so i'm really excited to kind of

640
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:49,760
speak to everyone there and learn a

641
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:51,760
little bit more about that

642
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:54,480
and what's great for this is the

643
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,720
the let's call it the circumstance or

644
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:58,799
the conditions of the documentary we're

645
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,760
making

646
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:01,840
like most documentaries are filmed in

647
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,000
studios with really dramatic black light

648
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:05,679
and lots of black clothes

649
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,120
our entire location and scape is within

650
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:10,960
the heart of a real life phenomenon

651
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,559
that's seen a lot now here's the thing

652
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:16,320
what's really cool about this is we're

653
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,600
not going to have a week where we're

654
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,039
going

655
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,360
fingers crossed i hope something happens

656
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,679
what's the chances well quite high here

657
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,679
because as i've said we've got

658
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:27,919
two airports within the vicinity we've

659
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,159
got the head police station six miles

660
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:32,240
over behind this mountain on another

661
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:33,679
mountain

662
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,320
there's stuff in the sky every night

663
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,480
what our job and objective is to do is

664
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,640
go what are people seeing that's leading

665
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,720
them down the rabbit hole and what are

666
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:44,320
people seeing that protect that is

667
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:47,120
potentially unexplained and that's when

668
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,720
you open up the package with everything

669
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,240
from uf fostered his style and

670
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,080
phenomenon we're going to deep dive that

671
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:53,760
packet but it's everywhere it's right

672
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,720
around us it's incredible i'm so

673
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:58,480
delighted the period of your coming i

674
00:24:01,669 --> 00:24:00,320
can't even tell you

675
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:01,679
ashley what do you think is going to

676
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:04,080
surprise vinnie and dan most about the

677
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,840
experience maybe something that they

678
00:24:09,310 --> 00:24:07,360
they won't be expecting you've talked

679
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,320
about obviously the jet lag and the

680
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:11,440
acclimatization but about the whole

681
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:18,310
that's already one hard one now what

682
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:21,679
would they not be expecting

683
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:24,480
i think it's going to be

684
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,520
their own reaction to seeing

685
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,760
possibly a hiker at the top of the

686
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:32,640
mountain for the first time like here we

687
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:33,840
go

688
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:38,159
hiker at the top

689
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:41,039
but it was 1 15 in the morning

690
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:43,679
what was a hiker doing at near zero at

691
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,400
the top of that hill which isn't safe to

692
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:48,159
be almost another level of the mystery

693
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:50,559
we're going to discuss

694
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,000
so what you do is you see these things

695
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:56,159
and it's bizarre because what you are

696
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:58,159
doing is for the first time witnessing

697
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,679
something and what's exciting is vinnie

698
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:01,279
you've said you've not actually

699
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,760
witnessed the uap

700
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:05,840
you're going to witness uep and they are

701
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,240
uep until maybe the next morning when we

702
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:10,799
sit down and go well hang on look

703
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,279
venus was there rocking its light just

704
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,440
as it was going behind the mountain and

705
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,279
it's quite incredible what the stars do

706
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:19,679
you look out there and there's nothing

707
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,799
it's black

708
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:22,559
and then all of a sudden the moon

709
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,400
changes the clouds come away from the

710
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,400
moon and then maybe the moon's low

711
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:28,559
setting and you look up and there is

712
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,320
what appears to be lights at the top of

713
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,919
the hill so you have to discern what is

714
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:33,600
natural phenomenon

715
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:35,840
and what is something else now remember

716
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:38,799
this was first reported in 1608 in the

717
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:41,760
church taboo record tabio church records

718
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:44,480
and the hell itself was baptized as the

719
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,000
hell of the dancing lights 400 years ago

720
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,320
so those weren't

721
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:53,279
modern torches hikers you know there's

722
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:54,640
something going on in this hill and

723
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,799
that's what we've got to explore where

724
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,159
other shows are questioning whether

725
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:00,320
something exists or it doesn't

726
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,159
and we really pretend we're starting

727
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:04,000
beyond that question as you see it's a

728
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:05,679
higher bar because what we're doing is

729
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:09,679
exploring what is this and i've got

730
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,960
72 photographs of my own and locally

731
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,400
that have been published in the press in

732
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,480
the media for us to go through for us to

733
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,559
tear apart the question

734
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:20,159
to figure out where they were maps and

735
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,720
then go to those places as a team so

736
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:24,720
it's real life stuff it's not

737
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,760
lots of studio stuff with intense chat

738
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:29,760
talking about what else it's going to be

739
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,039
what on earth are we going to do with

740
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,440
all this and i think you'll be most

741
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:35,039
surprised at

742
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,559
how you will react is quite a holistic

743
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:40,400
thing when you see a light flashing up

744
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,080
there it really is i don't want to talk

745
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:43,919
too much about how i feel personally

746
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:45,200
because

747
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,000
each

748
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:49,120
will respond differently to it and while

749
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,559
you're turning the whisper in my ear

750
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:52,400
going she's obviously the hikers we saw

751
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:53,840
earlier on

752
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,159
someone else might be there

753
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,000
texting their buddy because they know

754
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,400
they just saw the first ufo like happens

755
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:03,360
here regularly

756
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,840
back to angelo the keeper who's got a

757
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,120
whole system on how these things

758
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,080
communicate so yeah how you will react

759
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,760
to a light phenomenon is going to be the

760
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,840
most interesting part for me and i don't

761
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,520
think they'll expect

762
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:17,360
how much do you plan on filming is it

763
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:19,120
going to be constant when you're walking

764
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,520
two locations or driving to locations is

765
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,279
it going to be like hand cams steady

766
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:25,200
cams drone cams or is that a case off

767
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,279
we're going to travel we set up and

768
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:29,279
we're filming the film

769
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,950
it's a it's kind of everything you just

770
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:36,799
a bit of everything you've just said but

771
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:37,840
because

772
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,480
what the trouble is is data storage okay

773
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,760
if you're a tv company you've got

774
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,360
endless data storage we have to be

775
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:45,600
selective on what we film so we're not

776
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:48,080
putting in four hours of 4k filming our

777
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,080
hard drive because then when you come to

778
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:52,320
edit that it's also a much slower longer

779
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:53,440
process

780
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,799
so

781
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,720
we will be they'll be

782
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:58,159
um

783
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,559
gopros in our general working

784
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,720
environments with it within the house on

785
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:04,880
the the conversation days which we

786
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:07,039
haven't just sort of two or three block

787
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,919
days

788
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,840
but when we're traveling there'll be no

789
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,760
needless

790
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,600
jeeps going up beside the hills and all

791
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:15,679
that stuff we don't need to go for pac

792
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,480
we've got such little time to tell to

793
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,240
offer so much data that we're going to

794
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:22,159
be struggling for space

795
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,679
so we will be filming everything that

796
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,120
they come that we're talking about at

797
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:27,360
the investigation sites i'll be doing

798
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,600
lots of filmmaker stuff like

799
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,679
ask especially like asking people how

800
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,640
they feel

801
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:34,720
a lot but especially when they're really

802
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:36,159
buggered at the top of a hill or that

803
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,919
kind of thing right

804
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:39,440
i don't care if they're sitting having a

805
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,720
coffee and tab are you enjoying

806
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:42,559
everything it's when they're perplexed

807
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:45,039
and tired or hungry that i'll be

808
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,640
swinging in and asking a few questions

809
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,320
so i've got some

810
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,440
what what

811
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:51,600
the thing's got to be because it's about

812
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,120
phenomenology the approach to how we

813
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,600
react to phenomenon rather than figuring

814
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:59,120
out what the chemical origins or the

815
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,520
other worldly origins of the lives are

816
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,960
it's going to be relaxed you know we're

817
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,799
not in a hurry to

818
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,039
to to try and tell a predetermined

819
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:09,360
narrative it's filming what happens when

820
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:10,559
things happen

821
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,039
but also what dan and vinnie are going

822
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:15,200
to look like out of their box it's

823
00:29:19,630 --> 00:29:17,679
really easy no hang on not really easy

824
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,640
let me start since another way it's

825
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:21,760
comparatively easy

826
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,880
holding

827
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,120
your train of thought when you're on a

828
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:27,039
podcast you've got control of your

829
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,960
environment

830
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,799
all sorts of stuff's gonna happen here

831
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:33,120
that's unexpected in the weirdest places

832
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:34,559
so it's gonna be interesting to film

833
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:35,840
everybody

834
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,320
when [\h__\h] hits the fan not in horrible

835
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,399
ways but just in the things that happen

836
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,240
when you're really high in mountains

837
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:44,240
things don't go according to plan all

838
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:46,240
the time and those are the best moments

839
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:47,760
the human

840
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,559
story that comes from the investigation

841
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:52,720
we're not there's selected places but i

842
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,640
should say as well we have maybe you

843
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,480
want to keep this for the end but we've

844
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:58,799
got like one place left on the public

845
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,279
participant side we're still getting

846
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,679
inquiries from people so i should say if

847
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,200
there's anybody listening to this it's

848
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:07,360
not too late even though it's a couple

849
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:08,880
of weeks to go you know we're still

850
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,159
looking for another hero for all this

851
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,559
we did have one of the listeners ask em

852
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:16,320
it was uh peter just asking if you could

853
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:19,440
sneak away in dan's suitcase um so i i

854
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,480
don't know if that's an option

855
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:22,080
necessarily getting through customs for

856
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:23,520
you dan but you did have that one

857
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:24,480
request

858
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,440
i mean

859
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,919
i feel like it's it's definitely frowned

860
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,760
upon if not illegal to smuggle people in

861
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,120
your suitcase no

862
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:33,360
you can you can do that easily you can

863
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,799
smuggle anything into colombia

864
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,399
that's in fact nothing is just getting

865
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:40,320
them back out again that's not the issue

866
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:42,159
they're good at that well well i was

867
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,520
going to ask about getting some coffee

868
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,880
brought back for me but i don't even

869
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:46,480
know how easy that would be so that that

870
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:48,880
would be nice oh we've actually already

871
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:52,000
discussed coffee and uh yeah i'll i'll

872
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,600
i'm gonna leave some room in my case to

873
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,600
bring some back

874
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,279
i should say for

875
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,279
for obvious reasons

876
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:01,279
it's actually quite funny when you take

877
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,760
coffee you can take 10 20 30 packs it's

878
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:05,679
a really high restriction

879
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:08,559
however they've got to be coffee beans

880
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:10,240
you cannot have bags of powder in your

881
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,760
suitcase for obvious reasons they're

882
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,840
going to open it so as long as they're

883
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,360
beans you're good

884
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,880
more than happy with bean pick up i've

885
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,640
got my setup at home people all know i'm

886
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:20,159
i'm a coffee fiend but that was peter

887
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:22,240
who was asking about getting stowed away

888
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,760
i want to ask a few questions some of

889
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:25,760
the listeners i've got in touch about um

890
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,120
monty had asked um can monty ask that if

891
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:31,200
something truly anomalous is seen during

892
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:33,039
the trip fingers crossed

893
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:34,880
are there any protocols put in place

894
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,279
that you've collectively agreed upon to

895
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:39,760
communicate that out

896
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:41,919
that's like part of the very first

897
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:43,760
mornings filming when my set when

898
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:46,000
natalia my wife introduces the whole

899
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:47,679
production and everybody

900
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:49,039
tells them the basics like never have

901
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:51,039
your telephone on please and

902
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:52,559
somebody's speaking trying not to speak

903
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,600
over them but we're not going to try and

904
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,840
hinge things in too much but once she's

905
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:57,840
done that i'm going to be introducing a

906
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,399
lot of local cases and um

907
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:03,039
and the protocol for the week but here's

908
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,880
the thing is i keep saying it's got to

909
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:06,960
be organic is

910
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:10,080
when if when something happens

911
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,840
i myself will have a way that i'm going

912
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,519
to film that with nattie nanty and i

913
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:15,600
will have a frail filming protocol for

914
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,480
this

915
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,399
what won't happen is the guys won't be

916
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,559
told by us what to do if something

917
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,640
happens i need that to be

918
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:24,399
phenomenal logical i need that to be

919
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,679
really raw

920
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:27,600
and look at what he did and look what he

921
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,120
did she started shaking while he was

922
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:31,120
just having none of it so there won't be

923
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:32,720
protocols for the guys but they will be

924
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:35,519
for what we do filming it

925
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:37,039
and let me ask on that so you mentioned

926
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:38,640
that there won't be like

927
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,120
directions for vinnie can you react this

928
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:43,519
way or dan can you do this no we we

929
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,519
heard that in the production

930
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:47,279
towards the line

931
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,389
but like skin walker ranch is a big

932
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:56,960
budget production okay and we've spoken

933
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:59,360
to to most of the most of the cast too

934
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:01,039
and even like when we spoke to brandon

935
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,279
fugo and thomas winterton we mentioned

936
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,240
that some of the things that happen can

937
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:08,320
cause issues with the equipment so they

938
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,679
have no choice but to film it again

939
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:13,120
when it's not happening naturally

940
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,399
because that's the only way they can

941
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:17,039
capture it for tv is there going to be

942
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:19,039
any circumstances like that you would

943
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,159
look to

944
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,240
you're not falsifying a reaction but

945
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,240
that you would have to film again or do

946
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,760
you think you would just choose to if it

947
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:27,360
doesn't happen on camera and it's not

948
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:30,320
natural it gets left out

949
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,840
no you're never gonna i'm never gonna

950
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:33,120
have to i've never done that i don't

951
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:34,159
need to

952
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:35,679
as i say we're not we don't have we're

953
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:37,600
not answerable to this is an independent

954
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:39,200
project you know we just launched our

955
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:42,159
phenomenology patreon account we're not

956
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:43,840
we're not having to support

957
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:46,799
jeep as a sponsor and heavy commitments

958
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:48,559
to advertisers so we don't need the same

959
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:52,080
level of drama i truly aim to produce

960
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:54,159
maybe long-form

961
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:56,720
content with people discussing things

962
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,760
through so

963
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,440
we're sort of doing on screen what

964
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,760
everybody's your audiences are doing at

965
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:03,760
home they're thinking these things

966
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:05,679
through when you hear someone vocalizing

967
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,799
something

968
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,879
you can get oh i think a bit like that

969
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:10,879
but no i'm not like so i want to try to

970
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,119
make it interactive as possible and if

971
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,960
that means that sometimes there's long

972
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,639
pauses or silences

973
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,960
where we're just filming the way that

974
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,200
dan is talking to the housekeeper

975
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:23,599
that i will do that if there's purpose

976
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,839
and reason that it drives our story we

977
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:27,839
certainly won't be going for booms and

978
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,320
switches and getting drones up to try

979
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,320
and recreate what we're seeing and all

980
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:34,480
that kind of thing

981
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,320
no that's good to hear i want to ask a

982
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:38,240
question to dan and vinnie then i'll

983
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:39,919
come back to yourself ash as well this

984
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,040
is from dave

985
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,159
um so dave asked um what is the team's

986
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:46,079
best guess as to what the hestalin

987
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,440
lights are

988
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,599
has the phenomena informed your research

989
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:51,520
investigative strategy or opinion on on

990
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:53,200
this particular trip we'll kick off with

991
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:55,040
dan because i know you're quite partial

992
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,480
to this

993
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:59,040
yeah i mean first things first

994
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,800
we should emphasize those three magic

995
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:02,480
words i don't know

996
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,440
like we have to say that whatever i say

997
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,359
next is conjecture and it's based on my

998
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,000
own ideas we just don't know that study

999
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:12,160
was done you know 85 onwards it had some

1000
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:15,599
really really great um long-term results

1001
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,560
um

1002
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,640
vinnie had uh

1003
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,720
remind me of the gentleman's name erling

1004
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,040
strand that's it erlang strand uh who

1005
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:25,040
conducted the study on his channel to

1006
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:26,079
talk about that which is a great

1007
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:27,839
interview i'd recommend people go uh

1008
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,640
watch that but

1009
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,320
now to step into the speculation zone

1010
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:34,800
just to be clear um

1011
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:37,119
i i think that the research around evo

1012
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:38,000
and

1013
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:41,119
very very interesting it seems that

1014
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,839
there's a lot of different names for

1015
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:45,680
similar phenomena

1016
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:47,920
it seems that these might be caused by

1017
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:50,720
piezoelectric effects in you know the

1018
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,119
geography of the place but

1019
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:55,119
there are also some weird facts that you

1020
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:57,280
know these things don't occur along the

1021
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,880
san andreas fault for example you know

1022
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,400
if it was earthquake lights this is kind

1023
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:02,079
of the areas that you'd expect to see

1024
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:06,160
them um so it seems to be a mix um and i

1025
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:07,599
was very kind of taken away from what

1026
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:10,240
ashley said about um the the gentleman

1027
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:12,079
who said that it is a mix you know

1028
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:13,280
there's this natural phenomena but

1029
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:15,119
there's also these ships communicating

1030
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:17,520
with light and and i've always wondered

1031
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,119
if perhaps

1032
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:21,040
there's there's a natural phenomena

1033
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:24,640
that's being utilized to power these uap

1034
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:25,680
that's where i would go with my

1035
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,160
speculation

1036
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:30,720
andreas and vinnie what about yourself

1037
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,320
yeah kind of along the same sort of

1038
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:34,079
lines as what dan just said but when i

1039
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,760
spoke to erlin strand and he gave this

1040
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:37,440
wonderful presentation during our

1041
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,480
interview

1042
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,480
that showed all these lights that really

1043
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,400
do bear resemblance to similar things

1044
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:44,240
that ashley has put

1045
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:47,119
online as well on social media but then

1046
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,640
erling was also

1047
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,480
giving these stories of lots of

1048
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,320
witnesses in the areas over the years

1049
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,040
who have witnessed ufos solid objects

1050
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,119
with some stories and and drawings of

1051
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,880
what these people witnessed so it is

1052
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:00,960
it's two different things so that

1053
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:02,720
mirrors what dan just said that mirrors

1054
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:03,839
angelo

1055
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:07,760
the groundskeeper

1056
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:09,760
angelou yeah he's yeah

1057
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,920
and he's one of as you see many that's

1058
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,359
in the valley here that's called that

1059
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:16,000
yeah yeah so it seems to be that

1060
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,280
both cases seem to have two possible

1061
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:21,119
like big things that it could be so

1062
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:22,640
that's why i said earlier that i'm going

1063
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,599
out with with a very open mind and not

1064
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,440
trying to pinpoint one or the other

1065
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:29,520
until we've seen something and done some

1066
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:33,040
analysis or some investigating

1067
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:34,640
and ashley you mentioned the striking

1068
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,560
similarities and even the the distance

1069
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:38,720
and the the area which the heist island

1070
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:41,119
lights are seen as as to the likes that

1071
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,640
you're going to be investigating up

1072
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,640
close and personal have you get any

1073
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,480
ideas yourself as to

1074
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:48,320
what hairstyling may be and i'm aware at

1075
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,599
this point i might ask some things that

1076
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:51,280
you want to keep for the production

1077
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,320
itself anyway but what are you

1078
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:56,240
there's obviously what you hope but is

1079
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,079
that what you expect

1080
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,640
i will remain it will the probably the

1081
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,160
only person that you've had in your show

1082
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:04,480
that never says

1083
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:10,630
we i have been

1084
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:13,040
personally fascinated with this stalin

1085
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,920
formed

1086
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:15,200
phenomenon

1087
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:16,960
since the beginning that was really one

1088
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,560
of the things that turned me on and the

1089
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,320
reason was because

1090
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:22,160
professor strang

1091
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:24,560
always he's from from the university of

1092
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:27,040
oslo so he always made it safe you know

1093
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:29,200
it was a safe access route

1094
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,160
to a really interesting unexplained

1095
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:34,640
plasma phenomenon that does have as many

1096
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,079
said they've got

1097
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:38,480
three photographs and they're filed in

1098
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:41,440
the uni as the black objects we have

1099
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:44,000
that here too they're hobhectus negras

1100
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,760
these are the black discs and they have

1101
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:47,599
been reported above the airport these

1102
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,640
are the classic ufo and reports above

1103
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:52,640
this mountain

1104
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:53,680
so

1105
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:56,400
it's it's a very very same phenomenon

1106
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:58,480
that's going on here that goes on in

1107
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:59,680
stalin

1108
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:01,599
but you know there's

1109
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,200
one of the benefits that's going on here

1110
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:05,760
is his stalin's exceptionally remote and

1111
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:08,000
hostile so they have scientific

1112
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,760
equipment that's up there trying to

1113
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:11,440
track those lights

1114
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,160
and live on the base of this phenomenon

1115
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,560
and i've seen it myself now on 19

1116
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,320
occasions in a year i'm going to have

1117
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,320
other people watch it with me

1118
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:22,480
so this this is something that you can

1119
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,000
interact with it's like histaland 3d

1120
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,240
that's it

1121
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,480
and a follow-up to that from dave ashley

1122
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,320
and i'll ask this one to yourself again

1123
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:34,480
maybe touch his own potential aspects of

1124
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:35,440
things that might be included in

1125
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:36,640
production

1126
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:38,800
does the local folklore historical

1127
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,040
record or other photographic or video

1128
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:43,920
evidence suggest some explanations for

1129
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,240
the lights are more likely than others

1130
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:50,000
yeah we've got a

1131
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:52,000
list of the most

1132
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,160
prominent and the most preferred

1133
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,480
interpretations which

1134
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,040
only recently in the last

1135
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,000
since 1969 that was the first

1136
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,720
major what you call a ufo abduction case

1137
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:06,640
that involved lots of people that was

1138
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:07,839
the first

1139
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:09,920
major ufo report at the mountain but

1140
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:12,160
before that they were always interpreted

1141
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,119
as the spirits of saints

1142
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,200
for since 1608 they were reported as the

1143
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:19,440
spirits of the saints that came out to

1144
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,920
protect the village now prior to that

1145
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:23,760
the moyska the indigenous cultures

1146
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,599
believed that they were called the

1147
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:27,680
this loses bright antis the brilliant

1148
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,640
lights of the the souls of traveling

1149
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,880
dead shaman who were traveling from this

1150
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:34,960
world to the next so

1151
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,440
they had a spiritual interpretation all

1152
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,200
the way up to this

1153
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,599
modern ufo interpretation

1154
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:43,200
however i should say this which is

1155
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:44,640
really cool

1156
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,359
a lot of the farmers who believe it's um

1157
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:49,280
they don't actually say whether it's a

1158
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,760
uf or not wasn't the best this is it was

1159
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,839
actually tempted to use this as the name

1160
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:55,680
of the show

1161
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:58,240
historically for at least 200 years i'll

1162
00:41:01,829 --> 00:40:59,760
show you the reports in the books when

1163
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:01,839
you get here i've got them all ready for

1164
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,720
us

1165
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,880
the the phenomenon was called

1166
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:06,560
the charm

1167
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,040
have loads and loads of reports of

1168
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:14,079
farmers who say this they all say

1169
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:17,440
the charm emits from the cereal mahogany

1170
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:18,720
one mountain

1171
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,520
and it crosses the valley like a golden

1172
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:22,720
star

1173
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:25,440
stopping above the farms and finishing

1174
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,319
at waika they all report the charm

1175
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,720
glowing like a golden ball

1176
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,560
stopping and making its way between the

1177
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:34,960
two mountains if you're not interested

1178
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:41,190
no it does sound uh it sounds amazing

1179
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,720
and again it's something that it would

1180
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:44,319
have been amazing to be there but with

1181
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:45,760
with dan and vinnie being out there

1182
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,960
representing uh the uk i think and and

1183
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,480
the larger community that have helped to

1184
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,160
get get down there as well and support

1185
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,240
those guys it's it's great and i'll look

1186
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:56,160
forward to the finished product i don't

1187
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:58,000
have too much to follow up on on that i

1188
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,520
want to give you gents a chance at the

1189
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,000
end to to add anything before we what

1190
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:04,880
we've got left of our limited time so um

1191
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:06,880
over to you gents

1192
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:10,720
um could i just add the the on the

1193
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:13,280
seventh which is yet the day will arrive

1194
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:16,000
um michigan university launched their

1195
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,000
online free course uh about uap so i'd

1196
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,319
recommend everyone jump on sign up for

1197
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,160
it it's free it's kind of one of the

1198
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:25,920
only qualifications you can do for uap

1199
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:27,760
so get your certificate because you know

1200
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:29,839
it's probably about two hours of work so

1201
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:32,480
that's a fairly easy net to pass

1202
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:35,119
so yeah go sign up

1203
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,720
nice fenney anything you want to add

1204
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,480
yourself man

1205
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,839
i think um

1206
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,760
if anybody does want to kind of follow

1207
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:43,680
us along on the journey i will be doing

1208
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:45,839
sort of instagram lives and stuff not

1209
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:47,440
giving away much of what we're doing

1210
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:48,400
with

1211
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,599
what we're recording because i don't

1212
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:51,119
want to give away any or spoil any of

1213
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,880
the production but it'll be more just to

1214
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,880
see how we're coping how we're getting

1215
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:56,560
on just to see our faces in a different

1216
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,680
place and

1217
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,839
you know just keeping touching base with

1218
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,760
people that you know regularly see us

1219
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,280
doing these like lives and stuff but

1220
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,440
just from this beautiful location

1221
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,920
so yeah i'd say you know people

1222
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:09,280
come and follow me on instagram and

1223
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:10,480
we'll be doing that obviously dan's

1224
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,920
going to do the same so follow dan as

1225
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:13,680
well and anna ash so

1226
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:16,319
come and follow us all there um so yeah

1227
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,640
yeah you'll see a whole bunch um

1228
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,440
i'll be filming just for kind of a

1229
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:23,040
podcast episode so we'll do a nice

1230
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:24,800
visual one about the the trip when we

1231
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,839
get back um so yeah there'll be a whole

1232
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,839
bunch of cool content to come out of it

1233
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,960
yeah

1234
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,720
and ash you you also mentioned there is

1235
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:34,560
one place still up for grabs and i'm i'm

1236
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:37,040
going to do my best to get this so

1237
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,400
just after we record this i've got

1238
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,760
another interview and then straight

1239
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,520
after that i'm going to get this out as

1240
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,760
quickly as possible so how could people

1241
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:45,119
get involved if they still want to fill

1242
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:46,720
that space

1243
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:49,599
it's really simple you can go to history

1244
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,800
fuzz my web platform and phenomenology

1245
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:54,240
it's going to be really obvious when you

1246
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:55,359
get there

1247
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,800
but what i'm going to advise people to

1248
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:59,280
do is go to the phenomenology patreon

1249
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:00,640
account patreon forward slash

1250
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,800
phenomenology because if you take if you

1251
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,400
sponsor the show there with one of the

1252
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:06,880
tiers you can get access to discounts on

1253
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:09,040
the trip to columbia so

1254
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:11,839
patreon phenomenology historyfuzz.com

1255
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:14,240
phenomenology and throughout the next

1256
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:15,680
coming months i think we'll all be using

1257
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:18,480
the hashtag phenomenology so people

1258
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,599
follow that they're going to be keeping

1259
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:21,359
abreast of what we're doing

1260
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:23,200
and i'll make sure all those links that

1261
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,960
ash is mentioned are in the description

1262
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,880
of the podcast they're already in the

1263
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,800
part one and part two of the interviews

1264
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:30,480
as well so you can get them in any of

1265
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:31,760
those locations

1266
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:34,160
gents uh again i've got a limited time

1267
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,280
i've got another interview straight

1268
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:37,680
after this as well so i can only wish

1269
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,240
you the best on your trip safe travels

1270
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:42,640
ash look after them when they're there

1271
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,000
don't let them have too much fun

1272
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:48,240
and yeah i'm looking forward to hearing

1273
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,760
about the production but also seeing

1274
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,440
that the finished article itself and of

1275
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:53,920
course getting ashu back on to discuss

1276
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,839
that uh when you're ready and the time's

1277
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:57,920
right so have you got an idea at this

1278
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,599
point obviously you've got a good a good

1279
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,599
solid 10 days but then then the hard

1280
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:03,359
work probably starts afterwards getting

1281
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,440
it all put together when you hope to

1282
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:07,760
have this released i want i want to

1283
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:10,800
launch it on the first of may

1284
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:13,839
first of may that's ambitious is but

1285
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,760
what's good about it is we're going to

1286
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:17,520
be doing it in short form package you

1287
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:18,800
know maybe

1288
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,599
12 to 18 minute episodes episode a week

1289
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,520
so we can sustain this so it's something

1290
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,280
people can support and it keeps going

1291
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,760
and then just to season one comes to an

1292
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,920
end after maybe two or three months

1293
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,920
season two would come after but yeah

1294
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,520
it's going to be first to me that's my

1295
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,040
goal i don't want to sit in it till it's

1296
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,960
out yeah it's got to be fresh i want it

1297
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,640
to be the same people that filmed it

1298
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:40,560
that are on me or not a year and a half

1299
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,079
older you know

1300
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:43,920
no that's great and we'll be sure to

1301
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:45,760
talk about star wars in the first

1302
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,280
episode just so you can pick up on all

1303
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,280
that seo traffic from may 4th be with

1304
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:54,550
i've just changed my publishing date i'd

1305
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:58,240
meant to say may the fourth nice one dad

1306
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,440
do you know what i'm actually i'm

1307
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:01,119
actually blown away and you've done dana

1308
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,640
the service because you're planning and

1309
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,560
turning around the full production on

1310
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,720
video 4k in a couple of weeks

1311
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,720
essentially and if i asked dan to draw

1312
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:10,960
me a logo today it might be done by

1313
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,520
early may so that's that's an incredible

1314
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:15,359
incredible turnaround but like i say i'm

1315
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:17,040
really excited to see the finished

1316
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,880
product and again when the time's right

1317
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:20,880
how folks can can get involved with that

1318
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,920
as well and watch it so yeah awesome

1319
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:25,440
that guy's head's got less free

1320
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:27,530
bandwidth than sancaster

1321
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:30,560
[Laughter]

1322
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,079
and there's a nice little promo for zen

1323
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:33,839
caster for free right at the end there

1324
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,800
you go

1325
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:36,160
thank you very much guys pleasure

1326
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,760
talking with y'all uh look forward to

1327
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:39,280
speaking again soon

1328
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:42,400
thank you cheers that is all for this

1329
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:44,079
week's show thank you very much for

1330
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,000
listening please remember to leave the

1331
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:48,880
podcaster review on your chosen platform

1332
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,599
you can like retweet and subscribe that

1333
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,680
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1334
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,680
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1335
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:57,680
we speak more and more you can sign up

1336
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:00,240
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1337
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:02,960
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1338
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:05,200
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1339
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,000
instagram that ufo podcast of course on

1340
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:11,200
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1341
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:13,280
and again folks as always keep looking

1342
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:16,400
up you never know what you might see

1343
00:47:43,450 --> 00:47:52,390
[Music]

1344
00:48:17,670 --> 00:47:53,910
i can't imagine how it could have been

1345
00:48:22,510 --> 00:48:19,030
they thought this was noise they thought

1346
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:31,740
[Music]

1347
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:46,230
and what's that

1348
00:49:13,910 --> 00:48:51,589
[Music]

1349
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:16,020
what's that

1350
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:22,000
[Music]

1351
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:23,839
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

1352
00:49:30,660 --> 00:49:40,870
[Music]

1353
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:46,460
so